Report: CIOs to Accelerate Outsourcing in 2013

CIOs are outsourcing crucial business tasks more than ever before. A survey of more than 200 IT decision-makers from small businesses to large enterprises found that 32 percent of organizations will increase their IT outsourcing investments in 2013.

Some other headlines from market research firm Bluewolf’s report:

  • 48 percent of the average outsourcing budget is spent on application services.
  • 48 percent of organizations will hire more contractors, rather than full-time staff in      the next 12-18 months.
  • 16 percent of all outsourced data center operations are managed in the cloud.

“It’s clear that CIOs are rethinking the strategies around outsourcing,” says Bluewolf marketing campaign manager Amber O’Neill. “The increased look towards mixed sourcing models, such as staff augmentation, managed services, outtasking, project-based consulting, and cloud service providers shows that outsourcing is becoming more complex.

She further noted that the firm’s research and observations indicate that the IT skills gap is actually widening, especially in some slices of tech.

“This is particularly true with regard to cloud-based skills and other newer technologies that are proliferating beyond the ability of companies to train employees on them,” O’Neill says. “Outsourcing is a shift in the way companies do business that addresses fundamental changes in the technology landscape.”

Jobs that Take Outsourcing Hit

The survey also identifies the IT functions that are most frequently outsourced today. One skills area that stands out is Salesforce.com-related talent in both development and administration.

  • Application development: Forty-six percent of companies outsource their app dev. It’s the leading category. About a third of respondents plan to increase outsourcing in this area. They are turning to outsourcers for software development expertise, Salesforce development skills, and QA analysts.
  • Web and mobile: Another 39 percent are outsourcing Web and mobile development projects. Skills include Android and iPhone developers, front-end developers, and UI/UX designers.
  • App hosting: About 28 percent use outside firms for application hosting and needexpertise from Salesforce consultants, Eloqua consultants, and software developers in any and all languages.
  • App maintenance: About 26 percent employ outsourcing assistance for application maintenance, mainly through consulting firms. Skills sought include software developers (all languages), Salesforce admins, systems analysts, QA testers, performance engineers (especially in the e-commerce space for both B2B and B2C companies, and production support specialists.
  • Data center ops: Another 23 percent turn to outsourcers for data center operations, primarily with managed service providers. The skills that are needed include data warehouse architects, data warehouse developers, and data warehouse QA professionals. “The rise of the big data trend is definitely accelerating the need for data warehousing expertise,” says O’Neill.  “As every department from marketing to sales to service is looking to use data to make better decisions, companies are investing more in their data center operations.”

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Comments

  1. BY Fred Bosick says:

    “She further noted that the firm’s research and observations indicate that the IT skills gap is actually widening, especially in some slices of tech.

    “This is particularly true with regard to cloud-based skills and other newer technologies that are proliferating beyond the ability of companies to train employees on them,” O’Neill says. “Outsourcing is a shift in the way companies do business that addresses fundamental changes in the technology landscape.”

    I think the Cause and Effect is actually reversed here.

    • BY Not on H1 says:

      No matter what the cause is, the effect is always going to be outsourcing since that’s what increases profits.

  2. BY Not on H1 says:

    It seem outsourcing has gotten to conceptual development too, something that used to be thought of as untouchable. If this continuities we’ll all have to contemplate careers in non-tech industries.

  3. BY Cicuta says:

    This is nothing new as companies have been doing it in massive scale for the last 10 years and even longer. Full time employment for IT projects and services is a thing of the past and as time goes on more companies will outsource everything. The ripple effect will be that less people will study those disciplines and a point will be reached when there won’t be any professionals capable of doing the job and we are seeing it now. Even job hunters with H1-B visa will be scarce and then it will be too late for companies to do things on their own.

  4. BY BoycottOutsourcingCompanies says:

    “Jobs American’s won’t do” and “Not enough skilled laborers” is nothing but a bunch of BS! It’s nothing but a fraud being perpetrated on the American people by the U.S. Department of Labor and U.S. Government.

  5. BY P Bailey says:

    This is why companies have been using so many H-1bs and L1s. They are outsourcing jobs.

  6. BY Doug_B says:

    As I have said over and over again: IT is a DEAD END JOB. It has been sliced and diced by MBA’s until all of us are replacable at a moments notice. At one time (in the 70′s and 80′s) it was a super job. Not any more.

  7. BY jjacobson says:

    Of course they are, the great Obama health care bill just poured gasoline on the fire. I know two very well paying companies that put a immediate hiring freeze in place as soon as the SC upheld it. A hiring freeze on FTE US workers that is, cannot say I really blame them.

    • BY Jimmy Lozano says:

      Mr. JJACOBSON

      Why the people who control the prices of the gasoline and oil, NEED RAISE those prices from the Obama Health care bill…???

    • BY mcp123 says:

      “I know two very well paying companies that put a immediate hiring freeze in place as soon as the SC upheld it”

      Completely unrelated probably. More likely they are worried about the upcoming debt decision… if republicans delay again and don’t actually help find a solution the nations credit could be downgraded.

      Frankly…Papa Johns pizza CEO explained it… 11 to 14 cents it’ll raise the cost of a pie. Sorry but I WOULD pay that to have HEALTHY employees with HEALTHCARE making my food.

      Parents already like Obamacare… they can keep their kids on their healthcare until they are 26. Most young kids at 26 still don’t have a job with benefits so giving people this ability is great.

  8. BY harrisonbrock says:

    This is not a 100% true. In the pass week I have had job offer from IBM, Oracle. Google, Amazon all in the USA….but am keeping the job I have now because I love it.

    People need to wake up and tell the truth. Most people with a BS in Computer Science cannot programming that great and that’s why they cannot get a job for….

    • BY Not on H1 says:

      That is a bunch of hogwash as far as BS degree and programming skills are concerned. I’ve come across a bunch so called Masters in CS that couldn’t write “Hello World” to save their lives. And some of the best programmers never even went to college. Graduate school doesn’t teach any relavent programming skills. Those skills are acquired through practice, self study, and experience. Getting certifications help. Alos most of the H1b and L1s have fake BSc degrees, forget MS and they take the SR. level development positions. Get real!

      • BY Cicuta says:

        BY NOT ON H1 is correct regarding programming; any one can learn a language and become proficient if done on a daily basis; what programming needs is practice and a logical way to use the commands. College is not for “simple programming” really but most people in industry, and specially managers and CIOs, are ignorant in that respect. Now, CS can be taken in different departments in college depending what the student wants; for instance, Math department, Engineering Department, or Business Department. The most difficult of course is the one in the Engineering Department followed by the Math Department and lastly by the Business Department being the easiest of all. Now, students in the Math Department and Engineering Department stress on FORTRAN and C as those are the languages for science and the Business Department stresses on COBOL. The Engineering Department teaches hardware level programing also such as assembly language and for that you do need to go to engineering in college. Bottom line is that for high level languages such as C, C++ do not need a college education but those programmers have limitations as they probably do not understand past algebra. The programming done in the engineering department of Computer Science (CS) and Math department CS stresses in high mathematics meaning advanced Calculus, Calculus of Vectors, Complex Variables, Linear Algebra, etc..
        As far as certifications are concerned they really suck as I have met lots of people with certifications and they do not know right from left. By the way, I have an advanced degree in EE, Physics, and Math and I am also an IT professional; so, I know what I am talking about.

    • BY Jimmy Lozano says:

      Why I CAN NOT Believe you…???

      First you had offer job from 4 of the most Important companies in USA right now.
      Second You have a job right now that you love it.

      —-”” People need to wake up and tell the truth. “”—-

  9. BY HP_SUX says:

    America needs to wake up. Then again Obama is making it easy to not work or pay your bills so I guess unemployment isn’t all bad.

    • BY mcp123 says:

      “Then again Obama is making it easy to not work or pay your bills ”

      An entirely false assertion… why do people keep repeating what they know is BS? The new welfare rules don’t change anything. They specifically allow states to make more decisions about how they handle their welfare to work programs.

      Republicans like states having rights…so they should actually LIKE that change. You still have to work though…

      …the next republican I hear say you can get “Free stuff” is just another idiot who has never tried to do that. You can’t even get supplemental nutrition assistance if you have any asset over $ 2,000 in value.

  10. BY Jimmy Lozano says:

    CICUTA
    the 99% of everything you said in your comments I’m totally agree, no doubt.
    But, particularly in these statements:

    —-”” College is not for “simple programming” really but most people in industry, and specially managers and CIOs, are ignorant in that respect. “”—-
    —-”” As far as certifications are concerned they really suck as I have met lots of people with certifications and they do not know right from left. “”—-

    Supposedly all of CEOs from the big companies in USA has some kind of titles or degrees supposedly earn it in colleges or university.
    What do you think about “they are ignorant in that respect”… it’s because they are really so stupids and ignorant that THEY DON’T SEE the real problem, or they are so smart to us, that they try to NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM, or worst… they are so very bad persons that only prefer get A LOT OF MONEY “outsourcing jobs”, instead of welfare and benefits of the families in USA…???

    • BY Cicuta says:

      Jimmy Lozano thanks for the comments. Regarding outsourcing, it is true that companies can care a less about unemployed people here in the USA and all it matters to them are profits; however, as has always been the case, the mentality of corporations here is to look at the short run…to earn a quick buck! But what really matter is the long run; so, in that respect I forecast that most people in the USA will be ignorant people as college will do nothing for them; of course that companies will rely on H1-B and L1 visas but it won’t be enough. One thing I believe is a true fact is that most people do not fight back as Unions did in the past (depression era). Looking at HP lay-off of 27,000 employees is scary as in reality it will translate to at least 100,000, or even more, if we consider the domino effect. What people should do to fight back is to stop buying HP equipment, including Compaq PCs, and that might bring HP to her knees as PCs is the bread and butter of HP. The time will come when most big corporations will move 100% to India, China, etc. and the USA will be only their market…Prepare for chaos!

      • BY Not on H1 says:

        If most big corps move 100% to India, China, USA will not be their market at all. Purchasing power parity will drop tremendously in US, as will standard of living and way of life. In a way, it’s happening already.

  11. BY Jimmy Lozano says:

    —-”” The time will come when most big corporations will move 100% to India, China, etc. and the USA will be only their market…Prepare for chaos! “”—–

    WHY…WHY…WHY…
    Why the people and ALL CEOs from the big companies DON’T WANT UNDERSTAND or CAN NOT UNDERSTAND…
    this simple theory…theorem…Equation…Computer Program…etc… (either way want you it to do):

    The quantity of “Outsourcing Jobs” will increment (+) the percent of Unemployment, equal (=) No Jobs, equal (=) NO MONEY, equal (=) NOT BUY PRODUCTS IN THE MARKET.

    Why this equation IS NOT SIMPLE to see the CHAOS IS COMING….???
    Are we waiting to see all USA peoples Unemployed to realize this equation will be true…???

    • BY Cicuta says:

      Jimmy…It will be true! The problem in the USA is not only the grid of the companies but also a government that sucks composed of crooked politicians which either way they will always be OK. It is the working people the ones which will be oppressed and starve to death exactly as it happens in 3rd world countries which have two classes of people: The wealthy and the pour. In theory a Republican, by Constitution, Government can stop the migration of jobs for the good of the people but then the panacea will stop for them and that they do not like; so, this country will be like any other European country, which can be said 2nd and 3rd rated countries, obeying the will of those in power economically such as China followed by Russia and Japan. India is no problem really as their population is pour and salaries are and will be super low with no benefits by the way and that is attractive to USA companies. Remember…Money talks!

    • BY Bluplanet says:

      Our President is proud of his international, cosmopolitan values and world citizenship as opposed to patriotic American ideals.
      Well, American companies have been doing that too, and for a lot longer and with deeper roots than Obama’s social ideology. Not just from a philosophic point of view though. Even though they may have corporate offices in U.S. territory, many of them really aren’t American companies any more.
      While downplaying his own patriotism, Obama expects corporations to be patriotic economically. But economics has always been is sieve that allows money to go where transactions and trade is the most unfettered. Plug all the holes and things dry up.

  12. BY Wizgod says:

    Poor dumb American people.

  13. BY keith johnson says:

    I don’t know why I can’t get a job in IT. I have a BS and MIS. Maybe it’s because I don’t have the experience.

    • BY mcp123 says:

      “. I have a BS and MIS. ”

      Your right…it’s lack of experience not education qualifications…plus if you wanted an actual job you shouldn’t of gotten the MIS degree. They might look and say this guy will want too much money regardless of his experience.

    • BY teahou says:

      I think it has more to do with tenacity. I graduate from a 2 year school 9 months ago and am now a full time ,net app developer. I came to the job with 1 year of web developer experience because I taught myself html, css, php and js while school and worked freelance while in college. So if a retired carpenter with an AAS and self-taught web skills can get a full time developer gig… I would at the very least, pick up some freelance work or volunteer some programming work for local charities so you can build a portfolio.

  14. BY al p says:

    One thing I did not notice in all of the comments and in the artidcle is “SECURITY”. There is a big security hole with this outsourcing plan. Moving the work off shore gives people in other countries access to all kinds of info regarding ID’s (ssn, names,bank accounts etc) that there is no legal control over. This and the possibilities of someone purring “Trojan Horses” in the code, and chips that are being made really opens us up to a fall. People overseas are not covered by our laws and can do as they please. Think of what can happen if there is a war with some of these countries.

  15. BY JimBob says:

    “…cloud-based skills and other newer technologies that are proliferating beyond the ability of companies to train employees on them,”

    When was the last time companies trained employees in the U.S.? 2005?

  16. BY Sean says:

    The shame is many of the IT Managers believe Americans don’t have IT skills and every Asian does.
    The fact is most IT Managers don’t have a clue regarding SDLC, Support or Operations and skills required but are very motivated by bonuses. The cost per person is lower when outsourcing but the quality of work and communication is a serious trade off. Without entry level and intermediate positions in the United States this trend will increase and IT Managers will have less and less hands-on skills to effectively gauge the skill of their staff and be effective leaders. The IT industry provides the fastest track for self taught and bachelor educated Americans to well paying careers.
    The United States government needs to step in and slow the trend of outsourcing TODAY.

  17. BY mcp123 says:

    Lets not even forget the fact that the republicans just shot down a bill (twice) that would of reversed the tax credit companies get for outsourcing jobs so that companies hiring Americans would get tax credits instead.

    Republicans… in the pockets of big business forever…

  18. BY Francella says:

    Unionize or die

    • BY teahou says:

      I hate to say it, because I am not a big fan of unions, but businesses CEOs seem to have gone completely money crazy, so maybe unions ARE the answer to keeping a job or two in this country.

    • BY Cicuta says:

      Long ago, 1980 to be precise, while working for the US Navy as a federal civil service engineer I saw the hand writing on the wall and suggested to the president of the Civil Service Union for hourly employees; that professionals such as engineers and scientist should become unionized as well; however, I knew the poor mentality of engineers in that respect and I knew that something like that would never happen. As a matter of argument, doctors and lawyers are unionized like it or not and so why not all professionals in other disciplines? People do not realize that corporations have always been greedy and always will be; so, fight fire with fire just like it happened during the depression. We also know that Unions leaders become greedy and corrupt as time goes by but I think is better to have a corrupted Union leader that thousands of CIOs and politicians which are also corrupt. What is the bottom line? Keep jobs here for Americans and to that effect there are a series of things which we…the people, can demand from politicians; after all, they work for us. The first thing to do is to get rid of H1-B and L1 visas and penalize companies which move jobs overseas. Also, the Federal Government GSA list should include only equipment designed and manufactured in the USA as it was when I was working for the Federal Service, tax USA companies with oversea divisions heavily and some other measures to protect the American employee. All these measures would take time and effort but just think how it would be 20 or more years from now if people in America let companies and the government do whatever they want for their interests. Professional people think that to be a Union member is degrading or that it gives a lower status but that is a bunch of non-sense. The time has come to fight back and unionize across the board and go on a massive strike cross country if politicians continue fighting wars and working for the big corporations instead of “For the People”.

      • BY JW says:

        I don’t know what a “Civil Service Engineer” is, exactly, but as an Electrical Engineer, I would stand against any attempt to create a collective bargaining entity focused on my profession. This has nothing to do with an opinion that unions are “degrading”… This has to do with the fact that, as an Engineer, my FIRST duty is to serve the public interest. If I’m a member of a collective bargaining organization, the potential for conflict of interest exists… No thanks… Besides… What do I need a union for? My career is doing just fine!

      • BY mcp123 says:

        Simple change to taxes could solve alot of us…simply eliminate all tax breaks or any government money (local/state/federal) given to the company.

  19. BY Dan B says:

    Does Dice realize this is horribly frustrating, antagonistic and insulting to Americans??

    Is Dice on our side when it comes to this??

    • BY Mark Feffer says:

      Hi Dan -

      Yes, we’re absolutely on your side. I don’t like the report either, but I think it’s important for people to know this, whether we like it or not. I agree that companies doing this are frustrating perfectly qualified professionals and even — as you say — insulting them. But these businesses are out there and tech professionals looking for work need to know what they’re planning to do.

      Thanks,

      Mark

      • BY teahou says:

        Hi Mark,
        So what would you suggest we do to gear up for the future? For example, I am a .Net developer employed full time at a government agency. I a only 38 so I figure I have at least 20 more years to go and I am done switching careers. I am more than happy to learn new tricks, and had been planning on moving into a DBA type role in the next 10 years. Should I just stay where I am and hope the government doesn’t collapse, or is there some studies out there with predictions of where things are going?

        Or, should I pack up and move to Australia, which seems to have a decent IT demand?

    • BY Jimmy Lozano says:

      Mr. Dan B
      Can You… Please… Be more specific and give us an examples why you said:
      —-”” this is horribly frustrating, antagonistic and insulting to Americans?? “”—-

      Maybe Mr, Feffer is your friend and he knows exactly what is your thinking… or maybe he knows already what is your thoughts…
      but… for the rest of us that we don’t know you…
      Can you explain why all these comments… or maybe this article… are Insulting to Americans???

  20. BY JW says:

    Guys… Dice writes these doom-and-gloom stories to churn readership and create a flurry of site accesses… The claim is that they are doing something positive for their readership… Don’t believe me? Go to the top of the page… See the advertising banner? You are a product… Dice is delivering you to their advertisers as said product… Get it? Most of the stories written here are authored by people that have NO idea what they’re writing about…

    Stop hanging out on Dice, and go do your job (or study)… Go hang out with your significant other and stop worrying about this nebulous crap… Stop being a product…

  21. BY The Heretic says:

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    This my friends is the future for college new hires with IT degrees. Go to school graduate top of your class so you can get the opportunity to move to India because domestic based companies here in the US don’t train at all and technical recruiter will not even talk to them. College counselors need to start informing America IT students early that after graduation they will be required to serve a two year internship in a third world country to get the minimum two years of working experience. The alternative is two years unemployed in their mom’s basement trying to get the minimum two years on your own hoping some employer will wave the actual work experience requirement OR never working in the industry at all. The recruiters on the other hand will continue to block applicants that don’t meet the work experience requirement driving the labor market entry costs to the obscene.

    Now, I’ve actually met a couple people that have gone this path and boy did they have horror stories to tell. This little recruiting tool I just showed you makes no mention of the crime rates in Bangalore and other hazards. Some interns never make it back. It also doesn’t mention health issues you can contract because your immune system has never dealt with some to the things you will be exposed too. Momma don’t let your children grow up to be IT workers.

  22. BY The Heretic says:

    This my friends is the future for college new hires with IT degrees. Go to school graduate top of your class so you can get the opportunity to move to India because domestic based companies here in the US don’t train at all and technical recruiter will not even talk to them.

    College counselors need to start informing America IT students early that after graduation they will be required to serve a two year internship in a third world country to get the minimum two years of working experience. The alternative is two years unemployed in their mom’s basement trying to get the minimum two years on your own hoping some employer will wave the actual work experience requirement OR never working in the industry at all. The recruiters on the other hand will continue to block applicants that don’t meet the work experience requirement driving the labor market entry costs to the obscene for the individuals foolish enough to try and do it on their own.

    Now, I’ve actually met a couple people that have gone this path and boy did they have horror stories to tell. This little recruiting tool I just showed you makes no mention of the crime rates in Bangalore and other hazards. Some interns never make it back. It also doesn’t mention health issues you can contract because your immune system has never dealt with some to the things you will be exposed too. Momma, don’t let your children grow up to be IT workers.

    • BY Fuller Suppend says:

      Mama mia!!! This is so pathetic! I will go to India to take internship after paying more than 80K college tuition and then when I come back to US the job I sought for will be outsourced? In that case, I would rather stay and retire in India so I can have the job I like (with passion) or just to be able to live. But what about my college loan if I have to earn 10K a year in India, and besides I don’t think they will hire me there? OMG! whoever invented outsourcing, offsourcing whatever should be put to oblivion.

      • BY Cicuta says:

        Hey FULLER SUPPEND…You have made my day and I am laughing right now and by the way…like I mentioned, in here, to JW…I am here to know how people feel regarding what is going on in the USA and if possible share my thoughts…I have lots of fun doing it. So JW knows, I am now researching what is going on in the Middle East and awaiting a WW III thanks to the idiots we have in Washington and to that event I have a folder with websites which analyze the situation and have come down with very possible scenarios of what will happen to us…something to think about and plan ahead. I cannot go to India, as you mentioned, as I am retired so I will die in a nuclear attack. Mama mia!!!

  23. BY The Heretic says:

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  24. BY The Heretic says:

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  25. BY Gil says:

    It’s pretty damned basic economics at play here. Offshoring of IT jobs is purely driven by cost savings. Why pay someone 100k in the US, when 10k will buy basically the same results in India? The cost of human capital overseas is just too low for us to compete with.

    • BY mcp123 says:

      I seriously doubt someone in the U.S. is earning 100k for any normal I.T. job….

      • BY JW says:

        Really? Why do you doubt that? Do you live in the US? Nearly everyone I know that works in “IT” makes 90-100k… This varies regionally, and there are exceptions, but it’s not uncommon for a reasonably experienced Unix admin to pull down 100k where I live…

      • BY Cicuta says:

        BY MCP123, I agree with you. All you have to do is search the web for median average salary for IT workers by discipline with in IT; such as SysAdmin, Network admin, Network Engineers, etc. You cannot say just IT…you have to be specific. For instance, an experience UNIX admin can make between 70K and 80K, a good programmer could make between 80k and 100K, and so on; however, the problem with IT is that companies want the worker to do a mix of everything and in the process burn people out and the end result is not a happy one. Companies now days hire people with certifications instead of university degree with some exceptions and then they name that person “engineer” and want that “engineer” to do everything under the sun with negative results. IT is too broad for one individual to do everything and hence say that IT people earn a specific salary. The best paid IT workers are programmers with good companies; however…you better be darn good in order to work for those companies and earn a salary above 90K. As a matter of history, engineers have always been under paid.

    • BY Tony says:

      GIL,

      Did you fail at basic reading comprehension? ‘Offshoring’ is not the same thing as ‘Outsourcing’. When you get that part right then lets talk about this non-point ‘why pay someone 100k in the US, when 10k will buy basically the same results in India’? For starters you could make that silly argument for ANY job whether IT, sales, or management. More often than not you don’t get the same results. Not only that but COMPANIES are willing to PAY MORE because there is still a greater demand than supply. Wages will continue to stay high until there is more supply than demand.

      • BY Cicuta says:

        Tony…you’re 100% correct on your statement. companies are “Offshoring” jobs to India for telephone support and programming among other things; so, why pay 100K to someone here where they pay probably 20K to someone in India for the same of better work? Matter of logic, common sense, and arithmetic. Companies want to make profits; hence salaries here in the USA have dropped as there is a huge supply of brains overseas. Also, companies are hiring on a contract basis instead of full time and pay hourly instead of a fix salary.

  26. BY Jimmy Lozano says:

    —-”” Did you fail at basic reading comprehension? ‘Offshoring’ is not the same thing as ‘Outsourcing’. When you get that part right then lets talk about this non-point ‘why pay someone 100k in the US, when 10k will buy basically the same results in India’? For starters you could make that silly argument for ANY job whether IT, sales, or management. More often than not you don’t get the same results. Not only that but COMPANIES are willing to PAY MORE because there is still a greater demand than supply. Wages will continue to stay high until there is more supply than demand. “”—-

    TONY… I’m NOT AGREE with your comments at all…

    First: The point of GIL was NOT the word Offshoring or Outsourcing… the point was: THE BIG COMPANIES from USA are Outsourcing jobs because they pay “10 TIMES LESS” salaries than the payments of the salaries from the USA citizen workers.
    Second: It is very obvious that companies get the same results they want, Outsourcing Jobs to other countries, and this is the reason that they want “accelerate Outsourcing in 2013″.
    Third: when you said : —-””Not only that but COMPANIES are willing to PAY MORE because there is still a greater demand than supply. “”—-, Is very obvious that the COMPANIES WANT PAY LESS because right now in USA the demand is much lower than supply, why… because there are NOT Jobs right now, why… because the jobs are being “Outsourced” to other countries.

  27. BY Cicuta says:

    Hey JW…this is education time. I have an advanced degree in Electrical Engineering, Physics, and Math, and on top of that I also have a degree in Computer Science. As an Engineer and Scientist, working for the Federal Government (Federal Civil Service Engineer GS-13), and also for Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, both Federal Contractors. In my capacity as an engineer and scientist, I have done work with most of the defense systems we, the USA, have and my profession has been productive as far as being an engineer; however, there are a lot of things which I believe since day one it would be better if engineers and scientist work together and not independently and by this I mean through a collective management system. Doctors and Lawyers have their associations which by definition are “UNIONS” and through their “UNIONS” they call the shots; however, the IEEE does not do that. If engineers, mathematicians, and scientist in general would have an “ASSOCIATION” (UNION) then they would also be able to regulate salaries, employment, benefits, etc. and professionals, as well as non-professionals, would not have the problems they have now regarding offshoring of jobs. Contracting out to a contracting company is OK as those are companies here in the USA. As an example, look at Intel having their R&D in Israel instead of here and the same goes for IBM, HP, Motorol, etc. If all technical professionals were unionized, offshoring could be stop instead of letting the government deal with the matter which would lead to nothing…Is the people the ones which should take the roll unionizing (or association of professionals if you like it better) and through strikes across the whole USA force the industry to keep the jobs here…where people needs them. I bet that you are not aware that since the early 80s companies such as Texas Instruments were bringing professionals from other countries at low salaries and at that time the H1-B and L1 visas were non-existing. That was what prompted me to think that professionals in the technical field should be unionized. Since the early 80s till now employment for Americans have deteriorated more than 100% and will continue to do so in the future. As a matter of example, HP is laying off 27,000 employees here in the USA and taking those jobs to India, Lexmark is laying off 550 employees, and other companies will go full throttle next year, after elections, and then employees here in the USA will look at a glim future and especially in the technical field. I have predicted that young people will no longer choose technical professions because of many factors which you should be familiar with and then this country will eat excrement. All of that can be avoided if people, professionals and non-professionals, join forces and strike back. I could see the date when companies and the government would cry wolf if engineers, programmers, scientist, etc. go on strike and take control of what goes on in the USA…meaning abuse from corporations and the government itself. When the idea came to my mind, as I mentioned before (early 80s), I knew that what is going on now would happen based on a series of events which most people are not aware of; so, re-think what you say before you become unemployed and have a taste of your own medicine. By the way, I am retired now; so, I can care a less which way the economy goes…up or down but for sure down.

    • BY Jimmy Lozano says:

      Nice… very Nice…

      and TOTALLY TRUE…

    • BY JW says:

      We can all claim amazing credentials within the shroud of Internet anonymity… I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you’re both sincere and honest… By way of establishing where we both stand, I only hold degrees in Engineering and Physics… Some advanced… Was offered a math degree by virtue of having accumulated the requirements… Didn’t take it… :-)

      First… As a colleague… I’m advising you to go look in the mirror… Take a long look… Ask yourself why you are so bitter… Go have a beer… Build something…

      If you’re advocating holding the government and some nebulous “corporations” hostage FOR ANY REASON, then I disagree with you (violently if necessary). There is no need for Engineers to be involved in trade unions… EVERY EE that I know (EVERY!) is fully employed, and earning really good money… I personally have more work than I can shake a stick at right now, and I LOVE my work… My company treats me really well… Everyone in my management chain, and most of my colleagues are friendly folks that are good to work with… I’d love the engineering profession if I were making a fraction of what I’m making now, and I’d find a way to live off that… I live within my means, and I’m happy with my salary… I’m sorry that your career evidently didn’t work out, but I find, in the end, that people who feel “cheated” by the profession either because they feel like they weren’t paid enough or they weren’t given the respect they feel they deserved, usually earned what they got. You are wrong about “young people” entering the engineering field, and I’d suggest that in your retirement, you could be volunteering to help those very same people find their way to engineering school! Take a long walk in the woods… Have a beer… Lose your bitterness and anger… You hurt no one but yourself with this “scheme to run the world”… Get thee to a place where you can volunteer to pass on the knowledge you’ve accumulated over your career… (Really? If you’re retired, why are you hanging out on Dice? Why aren’t you building things, or volunteering to give students a leg up, or teaching…)

      I’m sorry that you’re not happy, and I’m sorry that you didn’t enjoy your career as an Engineer… I hope that things improve for you… Engineers will never unionize… <- Period… You'll always have members of the profession, like me, that see such actions as a very dangerous and slippery slope toward conflict of interest… As an active Engineer, I'll guard MY profession fiercely against this happening (I'm a right bastard about this kind of thing), and I'm not alone. I have nothing more to say on this subject, so responses probably won't be read, and certainly won't be further responded to… The argument is downright silly… Got to get back to work… I wish you all the best…

      • BY Jimmy Lozano says:

        Wow… I’m 100% TOTALLY DISAGREE with everything you said in this comment.
        I’m very sure that CICUTA will respond you very well against all the bad things you said in your comments.

        But… I want you to clarify me these sentence:
        —-”” Ask yourself why you are so bitter… Go have a beer… “”—-
        —-”” then I disagree with you (violently if necessary). “”—-
        —-”” Have a beer… Lose your bitterness and anger… “”—-

        Who is the bitter, the violent and the anger… HERE…???
        Why I need to get a BEER to not be a bitter, violent or anger…???
        Why in the BAR’s at night we can find a lot of peoples bitter, violent and anger drinking beers…???

      • BY JW says:

        Jimmy,

        Really? LOL… OK… I stand corrected…

        Bars are bad… Beer makes people bitter, violent, and angry… Whatever floats yer boat…

        Thanks for your useful and relevant input!

        I’ve read several of your your posts here, and you’re like one of those little fellows that stands at the edge of a disagreement and tries to turn it into a fight… Where I grew up, we had a name for guys like that… There… That’s an clear example of me saying a “bad thing”… Rest assured, it’s directed at you… This isn’t your argument… Gawd forbid you hold Engineering credentials… If you don’t, then your opinion, as eloquently expressed as it is, matters not…

        I clearly disagree with Cicuta’s opinion about unionizing *our* profession. I am allowed to disagree with him on this point. I freely acknowledge that he can hold that opinion… I also expressed my regret that the career of an Engineering brother has evidently been overshadowed by unhappiness… I regret that this has happened… Sincerely regret it… If there were anything within my power to change that, I would. I offered advice that perhaps he could do some things to positively effect our shared profession, as part of his retirement… I disagree with Cicuta’s opinion about young people. I have several new graduates working for me that are outstanding Engineers. I have a nephew that looks to be thinking about a career in Engineering. I am allowed to disagree with him on this point as well. I was not disrespectful to Cicuta in any way. I was forthright and honest. If he is sincere and honest about his position, then he is my senior, and I value his contributions to our shared profession. I encourage him to share those contributions during his retirement.

        In summary… (and as direct as I can make it) This particular discussion ain’t yours to be in, son… You’re missing the point (you’re like a broken mechanical pencil, sport), and you’re evidently just here to start a fight… Go pester someone else with your specious reasoning…

      • BY James Green1 says:

        Well JW you and your friends for know are lucky. If your company is hiring junior level american engineers and career transitioners, then your company is part of the solution, if that are not then they are part of a problem that needs to be solved.

  28. BY Jimmy Lozano says:

    I can not resist not commenting JW’s comments…

    Why I’m TOTALLY AGREE with the first sentence of this comment:
    —-”” You are a product… Dice is delivering you to their advertisers as said product… Get it? Most of the stories written here are authored by people that have NO idea what they’re writing about… “”—-

    Why I’m TOTALLY DISAGREE with the second sentence of this comment:
    —-”” Stop hanging out on Dice, and go do your job (or study)… Go hang out with your significant other and stop worrying about this nebulous crap… Stop being a product… “”—-

    The 80% of the peoples who read and write the comments on DICE blog WE ARE UNEMPLOYED the other 20% are employees or students. but we all have something in common:
    WE ARE LOOKING FOR A JOB. Unfortunately in USA “hang out with your significant other” means TIME + MONEY, yes.. right now we have TIME… but we don’t HAVE the MONEY (talking from the 80% example the other 20% examples is exactly backward). We are WORRY about this nebula crap, because we are desperately seeking help from everyone to get a job (MONEY). So… We Can Not STOP be a product… because from the economics problems in USA right now THERE ARE NO JOBS = WE ARE UNEMPLOYED = (forcibly) WE ARE PRODUCTS to DICE blog’s.

  29. BY Cicuta says:

    Well JW, I am here just like yourself…to be informed of what is going on in the tech industry, not that I am looking for a job as I am retired with a good income. If your read all my comments, you will see that I do tend to agree with those who are correct, in my point of view, with what they write and then I throw my seeds for those whom might want to consider what I think regarding our economy and industry as well, which for me is the most important matter. All you have to look is at our deficit and “debt” to realize that something is wrong in our country and that is something which will not change with the outcome in the political arena and what is going on with migration of jobs to other countries. As for myself, I have served my country working in R&D for more than 30 years developing defense systems which have made our country a free country in all respects and more than 10 years in the IT industry. However, even that has changed as we will not be able to continue spending money “we don’t have” (fiat and borrowed money). With respect to why am I here is simple; I was sent an invitation from dice blog and I thought it would be interesting to know what people think with respect the events going on and again exchange ideas in that regard. I also belong to many other blogs some of them technical and others political including blogs in other countries which are loaded with good comments from highly educated professionals. I also write technical papers for some blogs in most areas of engineering and IT…so; I am using my brains and technical knowhow to help those who ask for help. As far as helping students, I was a mentor to junior engineers and senior engineering students for many years while I was working; so, I can say that I have contributed in that regard as well and now it is “your time to do so” as my contributions have been substantial as a professional and mentor. If you’re interested in technical blogs I can direct you to some of them depending in which area of engineering you work; and if you are interested in political blogs I can do that as well…Hey, by the way, why are you here if you’re working?

  30. BY Cicuta says:

    Fuller Suppend thanks for the comment and I stand corrected. I get to hipper when writing. It is GREED if fact!

  31. BY Cicuta says:

    Hey community, go to the following link and read on. A good example what Unions can accomplish “if done correctly” and again it is Chicago the place where it is happening. By the way, teachers are professionals just as any other profession and they are unionized; otherwise the establishment (state government) will abuse them.
    http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120909/US.Chicago.Schools.Strike/?cid=hero_media

    • BY teahou says:

      I wouldn’t hold the Teachers up as an example. They do such a bad job, the the U.S. education rating in the world community continues to decline. I work for the 2nd largest school district in my state, and I can tell you that, because of union interference, it is nearly impossible to fire bad teachers. The new teachers know this, so they come in all the care about is lasting long enough to become ‘vested’, then they join the ranks of whinny, lazy, idiots that are teaching our children. I am definitely NOT saying all teachers are bad, in fact I would say the majority are doing their best, but the results are terrible. Despite working for the school district, I send my kids to private schools. Here are some stats:

      “The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.”

      • BY Jimmy Lozano says:

        I’m Totally Agree with everything you said in your comment, and I did exactly what you do with your kid’s with my child… send it to private school… but right now like a Unemployed without NO MONEY, I have the challenge to send my child to the Private College (aka good University), and I have only a few years to achieve this.
        I’m totally Agree with your comments, not only because you work in a school district, is because I have heard from many peoples the same history and I see it in different ways the same situation (real life, news, documentaries, movies, etc.).
        The point here is: as much as CICUTA comments and comments of yours are totally corrects points, why exist contradict?
        Why the Unions are BAD and Why the Unions are GOOD? all depends the PERSON who see the bad and the good of the Unions.
        But… what happen when the person is a BAD and Corrupt person… he will see at unions like a bad unions or he will see at unions like a good unions…???
        At which point the BAD and corrupt person will see the bad or the good in the Unions…??? when the rules of the unions will HURT the interest and believes of himself, or the interest and believes of the others…???
        the problem to me is when:
        the interest of the person = MONEY
        the believes of the person = WAY to get the MONEY
        and… I’m talking about the ALL KIND of UNIONS in the WHOLE WORLD.

      • BY Cicuta says:

        Hi teahou
        In my comment regarding teachers unions I said in quotes; “if done correctly” meaning that the “union” has to have a set of rules taking into account different aspects of the members. For instance: Maintain a high standard for education within the members of the union and its directors, maintain the highest quality for teachers scholastically and ethics, etc. However, teachers cannot do it all, the state “has” to have a set of rules as well for the good of the students and treat teachers as they should be treated; after all, teachers are the back bone of our society and future… they form citizens… good citizens. Also, the parents “must” be more responsible with their kids and sacrifice everything, if possible, to give their children the best of education even if the student has to go to a private school. One of the problems with most people in the USA is that they do not know how school systems in other countries are, and mainly teachers and union directors as well as government. If they knew and saw the school system outside the USA and with a bit of intelligence; then they could copy from those countries but that is not the case; they can care a less about it in fact. In other countries, the teachers are unionized and they have a set of conduct but also the government has direct involvement in setting up standards for education which here in the USA are non-existent. I can go on and on explaining what is wrong with our education system but it would take a whole book to do it and time; so, the best I can do is throw ideas and let the rest of the people think about it but I also know the negativity of most people here in the USA in that respect. I recall one of my comments long ago about most people here in the USA in regard their kids and the luxury in which they want to live neglecting in the process the education of their own kids; they rather buy a $40,000 SUV than to pay for their kid’s education in a private school. So, bottom line is that there is no free lunch in this world…there must be a degree of sacrifice as well.

        • BY teahou says:

          @Cicuta – I agree whole-heartily, and that is how I live my life. I was born and raised in New Zealand where, in my opinion, I received an excellent education in the public schools. I put my daughter in public school here in the US, and took her out 3 months later because she actually started getting dumber due to being so bored. She was far ahead in most subjects but the school wouldn’t move her up because ‘we dont do that’.

          Now she is in private school and I drive a 16 year old car, but we are both very happy.

      • BY Cicuta says:

        Good for you teahou and that is the way should be… kids’ education first and pleasure second. I have a good experience regarding my brother’s kids also; he was an executive for Exon in Venezuela long ago for many years and his kids went to a private catholic school there. Then, they relocated to Texas and his daughter, the oldest of all his kids being a 9th grade in Venezuela, was given the High School diploma due to her scholastic achievements but of course; she was in a private school in Texas which also have different set of rules than other states. All of my brother’s kids are professionals also which proves that sacrifice pays off in the end. I have stories like this one from persons like you, who came to the US and brought up their kids with the values from the old country and that is precisely what is missing here. I congratulate you also for driving a 16 year old car and having your daughter in private school. Now, if I were you, start looking for colleges in the US and abroad which have a free school system (I know of a couple) and a student exchange program for the time when your daughter is ready for college. One example I have is my niece’s husband who lives in New York (NY); he obtained a scholarship from the University of Mexico City to study Medicine and after graduating came back to NY, established his own practice, and married my niece; so, I can say that if he did it any one can do it.

  32. BY Jimmy Lozano says:

    BY JAMES GREEN1 | SEPTEMBER 8, 2012
    Well JW you and your friends for know are lucky. If your company is hiring junior level american engineers and career transitioners, then your company is part of the solution, if that are not then they are part of a problem that needs to be solved.

    I want start my comments with this kind of comments…
    Why… because is exactly the classic THOUGHT that EVERY UNEMPLOYED, who are searching jobs, HAVE when he read all posts from this article.

    In this kind of world we are living right now the only WAY to survive is to obtain MONEY through WORK… the problem is:”” the WAY that you get the JOB… and the KIND of JOB that you get.””
    If you can see in my sentence is exactly backwards with the difference of the words WAY and KIND.
    I can write Thousands… and Thousands words try to explain my last sentence and maybe I will get a thousands questions backs, but for sure I will get thousands repudiations and profanities backs.
    I can Understand very well the nature of the “Questions” from everything, because is the natural way of the human begin to try to UNDERSTAND… the WHY of THINGS; and from here WE start with the discussion BETWEEN PEOPLES, until they finish with the AGREE or DISAGREE of the answer of the question.
    But when the repudiations and profanities come back like an answer from everything, means TWO things for me: the person does not know anything about what is being discussed or, he knows exactly what is being discussed but does not have a valid argument to oppose and it is easier for the insult and bad words to contradict.
    So… when you get an answer like this:
    —-”” In summary… (and as direct as I can make it) This particular discussion ain’t yours to be in, son… You’re missing the point (you’re like a broken mechanical pencil, sport), and you’re evidently just here to start a fight… Go pester someone else with your specious reasoning…””—-
    What do you think…???
    By the way…
    —-”” Gawd forbid you hold Engineering credentials… If you don’t, then your opinion, as eloquently expressed as it is, matters not… “”—-
    Unfortunately for you I have I Master Degree in Biomedical Engineering plus PhD’s in Math from my College.
    Fortunately for you all these DEGREE that I own from my year’s on College and University , ARE FROM my country of origin… and under your beliefs and thought ARE NOT VALID here in USA
    ;)

    • BY Cicuta says:

      Hi Jimmy…Well, I am back with a short comment. You wrote: ….”Fortunately for you all these DEGREE that I own from my year’s on College and University , ARE FROM my country of origin… and under your beliefs and thought ARE NOT VALID here”

      Rebuttal to JW stupid comment: Then why Congress has approved 55,000 new visas for FOREIGN nationals with a university degree with STEMS CELLS specialty? More than 150 USA Universities have endorsed the decision also. The question arises: Why USA Universities have endorsed Congress move with FOREIGN NATIONALS? Their answer was that it is due to the LACK of USA professionals in that field and that NO ONE wants to study that major (Bio-Chemistry). Now another question: Why VISAS H1-B AND L1? Well…The answer is academic! Because the USA cannot, and will not, graduate enough professionals in the technical field from engineering to any science curriculum. As it is the USA is 27th among advanced countries in the fields of science and engineering according to the most recent studies. Congress has a dilemma on their hands now due to their stupidity which goes back to the late 70s and now they do not know how to fix it. Well JW, I have news for you: The problem of lack of professionals in the USA is unfixable now…It is too late. What I am eager to see is companies’ outsourcing everything next year and then probably you change the way of thinking and see things. Get real, the USA is history now. To close this comment, I want you to know that on the first semester of 2012, China graduated 2 million university professionals meaning that by the end of 2012 they will have graduated more than 4 million university professionals and most of them in the fields of science and engineering. Question for JW: In your way of thinking those professionals mean nothing because they did not graduate from a USA university and that applies to all the universities worldwide.

      • BY JW says:

        You’ve got to be kidding me…

        First… Based on your inability to form a coherent and grammatically correct sentence, I don’t believe for a second that this is actually “Cicuta” (either that or you’ve suffered a traumatic blow to the head). Second… The 55k VISAs that you’re talking about were for “STEM” (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics), *not* for Stem Cell Research… (I’m having a hard time keeping myself from passing out because I just can’t stop laughing). The rest of your post isn’t worth responding to, mainly because it’s as disinformed as your STEM CELL based argument that the USA is “done for”… Buzz off… You’re just another blowhard with an unjustified and, now, clearly uneducated opinion… Too busy to debate these topics with someone who is ill equipped to make a reasonable argument…

        /jw

      • BY JW says:

        Oh… Forgot to add… The VISAs haven’t been approved… H.R. 6429 failed to pass in the House on 20 September (257/158 with 2/3 approval required to pass). If you’re gonna live in MY country, and your gonna make stupid unjustified comments about MY country, please at least try to make an effort to understand how our government works… Honestly, check your bloody facts before getting on the soapbox *JIMMY*…

        Thanks and have a righteous and pleasant day!

  33. BY Cicuta says:

    I want to share the following with all of you guys:

    Message to California Senators Boxer and Feinstein
    Stop Foreign Aid!!!
    One of the messages I have been communicating to the American people is: What is going to take to make Senators understand that money does not buy loyalty or friendship? That loyalty and friendship has to be earned and not bought; however, politicians are so ignorant that still believe that by giving “Foreign Aid” we can buy those countries into being our friends and allies. For more than half a century politicians have been meddling into foreign affairs buying dictators all over the world at the exchange of oil and friendship; but now everything has change and those countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, and many others are sending a message to the world that they don’t want anything to do with the USA; in spite of that Congress is still sending “tax payers money” to those countries braking in the process our “Constitution”. What is going to take for ignorant Senators to understand that our economy is far more important than to buy friendship? Our deficit is far more than 16 trillion dollars and still Senators do not understand that the USA is sinking fast and has reached the point of diminishing returns.
    Stop sending tax payer’s money oversea and create jobs, pay the debt we have thanks to Senator’s stupidity, balance the budget, create a better educational system, and stop immigration of H1-B and L1 visas so our people can have a job. As it is we are losing jobs by the thousands every month and you people are approving more visas…are you that stupid? I guess so…

  34. BY Cicuta says:

    Well JW, I am glad it did not pass meaning that a lot of people complained about it and some Senators, such as Ron Paul and his son Rand Paul have been fighting against it as well as many people including myself. Question to you: Did you give your services to the US Armed Forces in the past? I did as I am a Viet Nam Era Vet but that does not mean I will go alone with stupid decisions politicians make. Another question: Why are we in such a screwed up situation and why our educational system is so inefficient? Why companies are outsourcing? Why students don’t want to go to college or cannot? I can ask you a thousand questions and seems to me you still do not understand that we as a country are done unless politicians stop screwing up.

    • BY JW says:

      LOL… Yeah… No time to play, little feller… You exhibit no ability to think critically, and therefore, you may ask as many questions as you like, but you’re not tall enough to ride this ride… Thank you and have an auspicious day!

    • BY JW says:

      Cicuta… Before you shoot your mouth off anymore, and just as an aside…

      The STEM VISA Bill in question…

      - HR 6429

      - Proposed to reduce the number of “diversity” VISAs by 55,000 to offset the number of new STEM VISAs. SO… We’d be bringing smart people to the US, vice, just anyone that applies for a VISA… I can see why you’d want to avoid that… These weren’t *new* VISAs, rather, they were a re-purposing of existing VISAs…

      - Ron Paul voted *FOR* this bill… It’s a matter of public record… Before speaking as a representative of “Ron Paul” or his “amazing son”, I’d suggest you actually look into what he supports…

      Wake up and be your own person… Spend a few hours actually doing research before stepping up on your goofy soapbox…

      My work here is done…

      /jw

      • BY Cicuta says:

        Then my guess is that you’re one of Obama’s supporters. Let’s see what the future brings and then you tell me about it. As I said before, I am retired now so my work is done; however, you still have to survive the outcome and then you will realize that the people without a job do have a lot to complain about specially when Congress is given the tax payers money away.

      • BY Cicuta says:

        Then if STEM stands for Science, Engineering, Technology, and Mathematics that proves my point of view which is that our universities and colleges are not graduating people in the sciences and engineering fields and that is the bottom line. Hence, companies have to hire brains with university degrees from other countries which was what Jimmy Lozano was talking about or outsource and off-shore all the technical jobs and you will probably join the population of unemployed people…then you tell me about it.

      • BY JW says:

        ROTFLMAO…

        -You have no idea what STEM means, but you have the audacity to pretend to know something about the educational system in the US… Amazing…

        -You have no idea that the bill that YOU were criticising, which you’ve obviously NOT read, and really know NOTHING about, was introduced by a REPUBLICAN, and supported by your teabagger hero, Ron Paul…

        -Somehow you’ve managed to leap to the conclusion, based on nothing more than your inspired delusions (or perhaps simply because I refuse to agree with you), that I’m an “Obama Supporter”… I’m not an “Obama Supporter”, any more than I’m a “Democrat” or a “Republican”… I’m “none of the above”… BZZZZZZ… Try again…

        Blah blah blah… More Cicuta rambling and BS…

        Yeah… You sure told me… Gosh… I’d better go buy some canned beans and shotgun shells so I can be well prepared for the “outcome”!

  35. BY Jimmy Lozano says:

    BY JW | SEPTEMBER 24, 2012
    If you’re gonna live in MY country, and your gonna make stupid unjustified comments about MY country, please at least try to make an effort to understand how our government works… Honestly, check your bloody facts before getting on the soapbox *JIMMY*…

    Thanks and have a righteous and pleasant day!

    Let me see If I can catch what are my “stupid unjustified comments”
    BY JAMES GREEN1 | SEPTEMBER 8, 2012
    Well JW you and your friends for know are lucky. If your company is hiring junior level american engineers and career transitioners, then your company is part of the solution, if that are not then they are part of a problem that needs to be solved.
    BY BOYCOTTOUTSOURCINGCOMPANIES | AUGUST 29, 2012
    “Jobs American’s won’t do” and “Not enough skilled laborers” is nothing but a bunch of BS! It’s nothing but a fraud being perpetrated on the American people by the U.S. Department of Labor and U.S. Government.
    BY MCP123 | SEPTEMBER 7, 2012
    Simple change to taxes could solve alot of us…simply eliminate all tax breaks or any government money (local/state/federal) given to the company.
    BY CICUTA | SEPTEMBER 24, 2012
    I want to share the following with all of you guys:
    Stop sending tax payer’s money oversea and create jobs, pay the debt we have thanks to Senator’s stupidity, balance the budget, create a better educational system, and stop immigration of H1-B and L1 visas so our people can have a job. As it is we are losing jobs by the thousands every month and you people are approving more visas…are you that stupid? I guess so…
    If I’m totally AGREE with these comments… means all those peoples have “stupid unjustified comments”, too ???

    The problem here is NOT who is telling the truth or the falsehood…
    The problem here is: when the person KNOWS what is the real true and comes to any way to change the thoughts of others with insults and bad words to mask reality.

    So… answer to JW is almost like “waste my time” because when he come with these statements:
    —-”” Blah blah blah… More Cicuta rambling and BS… “”—-
    —-”” Wake up and be your own person… Spend a few hours actually doing research before stepping up on your goofy soapbox…
    My work here is done… “”—-
    —-”” You exhibit no ability to think critically, and therefore, you may ask as many questions as you like, but you’re not tall enough to ride this ride… Thank you and have an auspicious day! “”—-
    No more Words…

  36. BY Jimmy Lozano says:

    Sorry Guy’s…
    I can not resist to answer this comment…
    So… here is my “moment of waste my time”

    If you’re gonna live in MY country, and your gonna make stupid unjustified comments about MY country, please at least try to make an effort to understand how our government works… Honestly, check your bloody facts before getting on the soapbox *JIMMY*…

    First: I’m living in this country since 1999, sorry but I’m Resident of USA, take it or not, and to me this is MY COUNTRY too.
    Second: I will still making your “stupid unjustified comments” because from your thoughts and own interest, you are displaying as well. For other peoples at DICE’s blog are valid arguments.
    Third: I ALWAYS make an effort to understand how MY GOVERNMENT works in USA… and you know what… when I found a lot of comments from different peoples have the same comments as mine, is because those peoples including me KNOWS EXACTLY how our governments works right know.
    Fourth: I have only to said that: “”Check your bloody facts before getting on the soapbox JW””

  37. BY IT Outsourcing says:

    The ripple effect will be that less people will study those disciplines and a point will be reached when there won’t be any professionals capable of doing the job and we are seeing it now.
    Dice News in Tech (http://s.tt/1muwQ)

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